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Kakumei · Oct 12, 2006, 12:09 AM // 00:09

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Originally Posted by Terra Xin

You can't use that on me, I asked you to explain yourself first... and I'm still waiting. If you need help finding where it was I had asked you to do such a thing, I can quote it for you if you like.

That's not how debates work. The thread was posted, I posted that I agreed with the suggestion. I don't need to explain WHY I agree with the suggestion, simply due to the fact that I agree with the suggestion for the reasons the OP stated. However, if you're going to disagree, you have to present a clear and valid argument against it--which is something you have yet to do.

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yeah, I think you and me are done for now.

Yeah, I'll come back when you learn how to present an argument, rather than meandering around about how your opponent "goes on random tangents".

TheGuildWarsPenguin · Oct 12, 2006, 12:29 AM // 00:29

PvP weapon skins and Droks armor art>>>all

Terra Xin · Oct 12, 2006, 12:43 AM // 00:43

/wave

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Originally Posted by theus

"OH EM GEE MAH POOR E-PEEN!"

I don't know what that means, but it wont kill anyone if this idea wasn't implemented either, so... e noho!

Kakumei, you're welcome to argue with me, but your post was 100% off-topic. Note and READ 100% off topic.

I think temporary unlocks would be fine for vanity's sake, PvP characters do not last long, I personally think Armour is a non-issue when it comes to fighting.

There was a late suggestion asking capes to be removed while fighting in PvP arenas so they could see the back of their armour, which basically covers up most of what YOU see when you fight. The idea... again... was disagreed upon, with most repliers saying that your cape is more representative than the armour that you are wearing. Of course, then came the suggestion of possibly having bandanna's, shields and flag-carriers on the battlefield, which wasn't too bad, but wasn't too encouraged as a much needed Idea.

There are many suggestions that can be brought to the table, long before this one, some of these suggestions are to improve PvP gameplay, if we can get those out of the way first, the we can probrably discuss PvP vanities. Until then, no.

Bane of Worlds · Oct 12, 2006, 01:01 AM // 01:01

/unsigned

Kakumei · Oct 12, 2006, 01:08 AM // 01:08

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Originally Posted by Terra Xin

Kakumei, you're welcome to argue with me, but your post was 100% off-topic. Note and READ 100% off topic.

I'm going to go ahead and ignore this because it doesn't mean anything.

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I personally think Armour is a non-issue when it comes to fighting.

Okay. You think armor is a non-issue. Evidently, due to the very simple fact that this thread exists, some people disagree. You still have not given a valid and clear reason as to why this would be a bad idea.

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There are many suggestions that can be brought to the table, long before this one, some of these suggestions are to improve PvP gameplay, if we can get those out of the way first, the we can probrably discuss PvP vanities. Until then, no.

Saying that other ideas are "more important" has nothing to do with the validity of this suggestion.

Terra Xin · Oct 12, 2006, 01:39 AM // 01:39

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Originally Posted by Kakumei

I'm going to go ahead and ignore this because it doesn't mean anything.

You wouldn't have quoted me if that was true. I am going to ignore the rest of what you posted, and mean it...

Alright, a couple of people are dying over this idea, so I started thinking about the temporary ideas more. How about this:

~Increase Faction limit to 100k
~15k Armour Pieces can cost 15k Faction each. (as stated, for one piece, not the whole set)
~FoW Armours can cost 100k a piece.
~When you are done with the armour, you can trade them back to a PvP armour collector for a 10% return. You will lose your armour if you delete your characters.

It is impossible to determine the amount of faction you would need to unlock rare skins because prices fluctuate in a rather big way. In order for PvPers to gain such skins, there would have to be an NPC for rare skins set in place, which would have had to have been at least suggested beforehand and agreed to by the majority (which it was majorly disagreed upon, ref: stickies). That was why I made the comment about other suggestions being more important than this one.

Now if there were a Rare Skins NPC, then you can somehow design some programme that works like an exchange, so the price in faction will fluctuate alongside the price in gold, and Anet hasn't even determined what the exchange could be, because this idea hasn't been thought of as something... necessary.

Then, you would have to convince a big population of players - farmers - that having a Rare Skins NPC is going to be a good thing... good luck with that.

And then you have the most important situation. You have to consider the fact that Anet is unlikely to do anything for free, and this isn't one of those updates that are necessary for improved gameplay, so you'll most likely have to pay for it rather than gain it through faction. This possible situation will basically throw out all agreed/disagreed suggestions about "earning" through faction, since you'll just be able to swipe once with your CC. Lots of work there...

And... after all that, there you have it, PvP characters will have rare skins and armour...

Kakumei · Oct 12, 2006, 01:44 AM // 01:44

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Originally Posted by Terra Xin

You wouldn't have quoted me if that was true. I am going to ignore the rest of what you posted, and mean it...

Alright, a couple of people are dying over this idea, so I started thinking about the temporary ideas more. How about this:

~Increase Faction limit to 100k
~15k Armour Pieces can cost 15k Faction each. (as stated, for one piece, not the whole set)
~FoW Armours can cost 100k a piece.
~When you are done with the armour, you can trade them back to a PvP armour collector for a 10% return. You will lose your armour if you delete your characters.

No one is "dying" over this idea. It honestly isn't even that important to me. I just enjoy debating, and this forum is seriously lacking good debates.

But the idea of temporary armor for PvP characters is absolutely asinine. I still don't see why you don't just have expensive permanent unlocks.

Weapon skins I honestly couldn't care less about. I'm looking at my armor far more often than my weapon, so I'll leave someone else in charge of inventing the idea for that.

Nickhimself · Oct 12, 2006, 01:49 AM // 01:49

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Originally Posted by Terra Xin

Why on earth would you compare 3 day un-washed trash with PvP armour? Vanity, that's all you are... away with you!

Yeah. Good job with that one. I'm just going to assume you don't think very highly of yourself in real life, or you would understand the reasoning behind vanity.

Terra Xin · Oct 12, 2006, 01:54 AM // 01:54

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Originally Posted by Kakumei

No one is "dying" over this idea. It honestly isn't even that important to me. I just enjoy debating, and this forum is seriously lacking good debates.

Congratulations... You're a Troll.

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But the idea of temporary armor for PvP characters is absolutely asinine. I still don't see why you don't just have expensive permanent unlocks.

Because determining expensive permanent unlocks is too difficult to do without raising alarms from people who will think "Its too expensive, lower it" and "It's too easy, raise it". Anet does listen, but their response time wont go well with this idea. Like I suggested previously, it would be better for Anet if they just made everyone pay for the unlocks, its not a necessity so they aren't going to give you a free upgrade. But then, we all would have wasted our time posting in this thread, because buying your armour has nothing to do with 'earning' rights, and a few people may suspect corruption because Anet would be doing what Ebay already does. Though, that's an unlikely spculation.

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Originally Posted by Nickhimself

Yeah. Good job with that one. I'm just going to assume you don't think very highly of yourself in real life, or you would understand the reasoning behind vanity.

You have a very little idea of the true face of vanity... don't you? Don't make personal insults towards me please, you know little about me, I don't deserve it. Throw general insults, then I can slap them back at you.

Kakumei · Oct 12, 2006, 02:23 AM // 02:23

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Originally Posted by Terra Xin

Congratulations... You're a Troll.

Liking to debate makes me a troll? Wow, you're not very good at this forum thing huh?

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its not a necessity so they aren't going to give you a free upgrade.

The storage update was free, and not necessary. Implemented badly, but free.

Terra Xin · Oct 12, 2006, 02:38 AM // 02:38

You're losing face over the subject at hand. Constructive critisism, something you need to work on. There is no real debate here.

The storage update came with the purchase of Factions, they specifically excluded Prophecies for this reason -they're in the business to make money, Gaile Grey has already made a statement about this issue. (I'm guessing that's what you meant by Implemented Badly). It was supposed to come around earlier, but it was still on the drawing board. With your logic, you could say that the bonus weekends were 'free' but they were an incentive to get people to buy factions if you didn't already own it.

shaolin mind trick · Oct 12, 2006, 02:39 AM // 02:39

The guildwars PVE vs PVP character comparission basically comes down to flashy items vs flashy emotes.
If one gets both, then the other gets both as well.
I can't say that I mind it the way it is, but I don't PVP all that much. I can see where the pvp'ers are coming from though.

Kakumei · Oct 12, 2006, 02:52 AM // 02:52

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Originally Posted by Terra Xin

You're losing face over the subject at hand. Constructive critisism, something you need to work on. There is no real debate here.

There is a debate here, a plain one. Should PvP characters have the ability to unlock vanity items? Why or why not?

Honestly, if you can't see this, I don't know why I'm spending any time at all here.

Kassad · Oct 12, 2006, 03:53 AM // 03:53

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Originally Posted by Kakumei

Should PvP characters have the ability to unlock vanity items? Why or why not?

No, because... just no. PVP is for the basis of "perfect" characters based on the fact, max armour, max level, max weapons, to be effective, not "looks".

If you want to look "p1mp!!1" while doing gvg, go make a pve char, its not that hard. If you dont want to spend time and effort doing boring missions to get your "133t" armour, I dont see how you have any right to complain then.

If Pvp players want "High End" 15k/FoW armour, Pve players should get something Pvp, like a Tiger emote cause I got "Masters" on arborstone or getting a leet bonus done on ring of fire with henchies.

Look, 15k armour and FoW is for PVE characters, NOT PVP. Guild rating and HoH Fame is PVP, NOT PVE.

Dougal Kronik · Oct 12, 2006, 04:07 AM // 04:07

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Originally Posted by Kakumei

There is a debate here, a plain one. Should PvP characters have the ability to unlock vanity items? Why or why not?

Honestly, if you can't see this, I don't know why I'm spending any time at all here.

What happens to the unspent Faction once PvP players have their armor permanently unlocked?

PvP players need to be able to spend their Faction on temporary unlocks.

Nickhimself · Oct 12, 2006, 04:31 AM // 04:31

Temporary Unlocks: DYES

Permanent Unlocks: Armor / Weapon skins

Kakumei · Oct 12, 2006, 04:50 AM // 04:50

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Originally Posted by Dougal Kronik

What happens to the unspent Faction once PvP players have their armor permanently unlocked?

PvP players need to be able to spend their Faction on temporary unlocks.

What happens to unspent Faction now? Absolutely nothing. At least this would give something else to buy.

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If Pvp players want "High End" 15k/FoW armour, Pve players should get something Pvp, like a Tiger emote cause I got "Masters" on arborstone or getting a leet bonus done on ring of fire with henchies.

Okay. I have no problem with those who earned Kind Of A Big Deal getting a special emote or something. Not one identical to the rank ones, of course.

Your entire post was literally "no it's not FOR them" which isn't a valid argument at all, considering the question is "can we make it for them?".

Tark Alkerk · Oct 12, 2006, 05:28 AM // 05:28

pesonally i don't see the point of new skins for pvp armour which would be avaible from the priest, judgeing the amount of times i remake my pvp char in a day it seems pointless.

Kassad · Oct 12, 2006, 05:34 AM // 05:34

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Originally Posted by Kakumei

Okay. I have no problem with those who earned Kind Of A Big Deal getting a special emote or something. Not one identical to the rank ones, of course.

Of course not identical, it would be 10x better then the Phoenix emote if PVP chars are getting FoW.